Several of you have asked about our breastfeeding and weaning practices. While I know how volatile this subject can be, I’ve decided to go ahead and give you our story in the hopes you might see yourself among my words and possibly learn something new about yourself and/or others.
Chapter 1
Baby #1 is born. I am 21 and know no one who has breastfed with any success. While I have heard of La Leche League, what I have heard has been coated in a tone of disdain. However, I am determined to breastfeed my son for at least 2 weeks.
He is born via C-section and weighs in at 8# 15 oz. I am told he needs formula. So, we supplement. He does well nursing and supplementing, but I am in pain. Cracked and bleeding, I turn to breast shells
to get me through. {Oh, and did I tell you my husband kept saying I had promised to give it 2 weeks and I couldn’t go back on my promise? He’s pretty much the only reason I kept going.}
However, I was in college and I figured the only way to get my son to sleep through the night so I could function during the day was to give him formula. Plus, I was going to be driving a combine {yes, the kind you cut wheat with} for my dad in a few months and thought I would need to have him completely weaned by then anyway.
At 2½ months, my first child was fully weaned.
Chapter 2
It is nearly 3 years later, and I have made friends with a few people who have breastfed successfully past 2 weeks. In fact, one mother lasted 9 months and also attends La Leche League. She assures me they are not lunatics. I am encouraged to try again, this time setting my goal at 1 year.
But baby is jaundice. And she nurses poorly. We use a SNS (Supplemental Nursing System…something I am told is no longer used) and after weeks of hard work, she nurses like a champ. I treasure my nights nursing her in a chair in her room with soft music in the background. When she is old enough for a cup, I supplement with formula here and there.
At 1 year, she is weaned.
Here is where I reveal something not so pleasant. I weaned my daughter because I wanted another baby. You see, rather than fully enjoying the blessings I had been given, I was getting ahead of myself. I figured breastfeeding my daughter was holding me back from another pregnancy, and when I became sick with the flu right around the time she turned 1 year old, I found my excuse to quit nursing.
Was she traumatized? No…but I learned a valuable lesson during the next 3 years.
Chapter 3
Weaning my daughter did not afford me the blessing of another baby. It was nearly 4 years and many hard lessons later, when I finally gave birth to my 3rd child. During those years, I grieved weaning my 2nd born.
But this new little one nursed beautifully from the beginning. This time I set no end date.
I had learned more. I wanted more. I nursed “on-demand,” I co-slept, when she got bigger, I side-carred the crib to our bed. She was my first baby to be worn. We lived together in a perfect rhythm. She rarely cried. And I felt like maybe this time I was doing it “right.”
But when she was 3 months old, my cycles came back.
Because I had always supplemented, I was sure that when I practiced ecological breastfeeding, my cycles would stay away. I had heard of a year or better of amenorrhea, so I was shocked and saddened when this did not prove to be the case for me.
And then I became pregnant.
My little one was just 7 months old.
And then came the accusations. I must have done something “wrong.” Surely I didn’t really co-sleep or nurse on demand. I was probably slipping a bottle in there every now and then or putting her on a schedule. The truth was she was exclusively breastfed (meaning she’d was not eating solids yet), she did not take a pacifier or suck her thumb (which would naturally space her feedings) and she nursed whenever and wherever she pleased. We were a walking “exception to the rule.”
Determined to do my best with the circumstances I had been handed, I nursed through the pregnancy and tandem nursed for months after the new baby’s birth.
And then it happened again.
Despite the fact that I was tandem nursing two children born 16 months apart, I started cycling almost immediately.
Chapter 4
I weaned my 3rd child at 22 months because I could no longer handle the demands of a nursing infant and a nursing toddler. I continued to co-sleep and nurse my newest little one on demand, but I no longer believed in amenorrhea…at least not for me. I did my best to field the comments and accusations as to what I might be doing “wrong,” all the while knowing in my heart, I had done everything I knew to do.
And when baby #4 was 8 months old, I became pregnant again.
It’s sad that people would make acusations about you doing something wrong in such a subject. How would they know what you do in private and how your body works. We are not robots, we are all different. Good on you for tandem feeding as long as you could. I did that too and loved it.
Thank you for sharing your stories! It is amazing how much having friends who also breastfeed and can offer support really does help a mother to continue breastfeeding! Also, I have a friend who follows all of the ecological breastfeeding rules, and her cycles also return early. I’ve heard its really a sign of good health, so perhaps that is somewhat encouraging despite the frustration it can cause! I look forward to hearing the rest of your journey!
Amy, Thank you for sharing this! So far, my cycles have returned very quickly and I have become pregnant while nursing both of my babies. Unfortunately, I have not yet made it past 10 months with either because of the toll the pregnancies take on me. I would really like to nurse our new baby (coming in two months!) for at least a year. I’m doing research now to help me overcome the problems I’ve faced due to pregnancy and nursing. It’s refreshing to hear that I’m not the only exception to the rule!
I just wanted to express my sorrow over the judging you received from the breastfeeding community, about why your cycles returned earlier than some. Le Leche League helped me out during my own nursing struggles (rapid let-down reflex). I am so glad for their “ministry” to women, but I think OBGYN’s do a better job informing women about the return of cycles. They clearly say you cannot count on any break from fertility, no matter how you practice breastfeeding, while Le Leche League really emphasizes a six-month almost-guarantee of no cycles.
Bless you, Amy! And your ministry here to women!
I also found out that breastfeeding exclusively and on demand does not necessarily keep you from getting pregnant. It happens to me too. I was nursing exclusively, on demand, co-sleeping, etc when I became pregnant with my 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th. lol The only reason it took two years between my 9th and 10th is purely the Lord giving me time to rest up for the 10th baby’s birth (it was hard). (My 1st and 2nd are different stories). Anyway – it happens.
I also nurse on demand and co-sleep with my nursing babies and don’t supplement or even start solids until after the first year. And my cycle starts back at around 6 months. Still nursing a 27 mo right now. Apparently he is more than comfortable with it. The rest of the family is not. They are just waiting for him to tell me in public that he wants to nurse. Yes, he is talking in sentences and very well now, so it is just a matter of time.
My oldest daughter has had three babies that she has nursed exclusively. As soon as she has stopped bleeding from delivery she starts having a cycle in the next couple of weeks! She gets no break! And yes, we have been pregnant at the same time and have enjoyed sitting down together, talking and nursing our babies together.
That is so amazing and special! Don’t let mean comments get you down!
God Bless!
Thank you for posting this. I look forward to reading the rest of your stroy.
This came at just the right time. My little one is almost 10 months and just recently I became focused on having another (even tho my cycles haven’t returned)
I am now trying to refocus and enjoy BF my little one and trust the God knows if/when another will arrive. It is such a beautiful thing to share (breastfeeding)and I almost took it for granted.
Thank you for your candidness and sharing your journey and your acceptance of your body’s cycle. I have nursed all 5 sons exclusively for at least a year and have started my cycles at 3 months with 4 of them and at 6 months with my 3rd son. (We never introduced any solids before 6 months, nursed on demand, etc . . ) But my sister never starts before 14 months. Sometimes I feel that isn’t fair, but such is life & I am grateful to easily conceive, etc. . .
I only nursed mine so successfully because our Lamaze teacher in our first pregnancy tried to get each of us to commit to 6 weeks of nursing. I am stubborn & would not go back on that commitment. There were feedings that my son would cry to eat, & I would cry, and my loving husband would try to help us through. And after 6 weeks, it had become easy, Thank you very much to a Le Leche League woman helping me for days!!! She would come to my house for feedings, because I would try to go to the hospital but son would not co-operate, and she did not charge us, my husband was still in undergraduate & I had just finished. Wish I could thank that lady. What a BLESSING!
LLL is a wonderful resource!
What? No…don’t stop the story….I want to hear the rest! I’m raising my hand as being another mom that nurses exclusively on demand and starts cycling by three months. I always just figured it was God’s blessing…babies close together.
I love it when you confess to stopping nursing #2 because you wanted to get pregnant again. Beautiful. It should be in God’s hands and if we start cycling early then that is in His hands too. Thanks for the first part of your story, can’t wait for the rest! Lisa
Those people are dumb…it doesn’t work for EVERYONE.
With my first, she started solids at 4 months, so my cycle returned 2 weeks later. I was pregnant when she was 9 months old. I did, and am, tandem nursing my now 3-year-old and 18-month-old. I had hoped to get pregnant again around my son’s first birthday, it didn’t happen. I had my cycles back but could not conceive. It wasn’t until he night-weaned at 15 months that I conceived — two weeks later! So now I am tandem nursing AND pregnant, lol!
Wow, girl! I’m impressed! I was close to doing that, but not quite. As for the people who had something to say about my fertility, I think all they knew was their own experience and they figured that was how it was for everyone. I don’t think they meant to sound harsh, but when you’ve done everything you can think of to do and someone says you must have done something wrong, it hurts.
Wow! There are certainly a lot of us in the “got pregnancy while exclusively breastfeeding etc.” crowd! It has given our family babies very close together but having a sister that struggles with infertility I quickly remember how blessed I really am!
I don’t know what the SNS they had you use was -but with my first they wanted me to supplement too -he was 9# 3oz- using a little tube that I was to insert into baby’s mouth alongside my breast. That was 4 yrs ago and I have heard of other moms having the same experience in the past couple years too. It was horrible and I didn’t do it after the Breastfeeding Consultant left my room.
Yes, that is the kind I used as well. I was recently told by a nurse they now use cup or finger feeding instead. Too many lacerations in baby’s mouth from the SNS tube.
That is sad. Glad I quit -I was pretty convinced he just needed to get out of the hospital where he was being poked and proded all the time and he would do fine. (we had to stay longer after birth b/c of his elevated temp -and I do appreciate the caution in that) I was right as soon as we were home he started packin’ on the pounds since he was a really good nurser!
I was fortunate enough to have a La Leche League leader just minutes from my house. It was such a blessing when my daughter began a nursing strike at just 5 months old.
I am now exclusively breastfeeding my 7 month old and have not gotten my cycle back yet. With my first born, I didn’t get my period until she was 9 months old. YAY! I didn’t miss that AT ALL! LOL!!!
I am a die-hard nurser as well and truly loved reading your stories.
(Oh yes…and the opinions of well-meaning people seem soooooooooo trying at times…I remember that WELL.)
Thanks, Amy for your openness on this subject.
I enjoyed reading this.
I was blessed to not have my cycles start quickly and am glad of it.
When Christopher was about 11-12 months I really wanted to get pregnant again. I was told time and again, just wean Christopher. It was tempting, but I am so glad I didn’t get pregnant then. Having a newborn while Mark would be writing his thesis I think would have been VERY HARD!
Thanks for sharing! So interested to hear Part 2. God bless you!
Great post, Amy!
I’m one of those who don’t follow the rules, either. My cycles return between 6-7 months either way. Now most of my children have started solids between 6-7 months, but even with my son who didn’t start solids until more like 9 months, I was still cycling between 6-7 months. With my last 3 children (all EBF until at least 6 months), I’ve become pregnant again when they were 11 months old, and they’ve all pretty much self-weaned somewhere between weeks 12-18 of pregnancy, so we haven’t had any tandem nursers yet. I can’t wait to read the rest of your story!
Thank you so much for posting about your journey! My first son was born 5 weeks early and spent his first 2 weeks in NICU so breastfeeding never happened for us (our NICU ladies were great, but not when it came to us trying to breastfeed). So I pumped…and pumped…and pumped. Until he was 7 months old and my production went from 30 oz or so a day to 15! I was concerned about my milk production and beating myself up for my body “not working like it should”. I had one period and then nothing for 5 weeks — nothing new for me as I have PCOS and was told before conceiving my first son that we might never have kids. Then I found out I was pregnant again with #2…almost 3 months along already!
It is true that you can definitely get pregnant while breastfeeding, though I know for me (pumping) I was definitely spacing out my sessions and that could have led to the return of my cycle.
I thought about trying an SNS feeder with #2 as we ended up syringe/finger feeding him for 2 weeks b/c of various problems. I’m now pumping exclusively with him. He latches great! But it is so INCREDIBLY painful for me that I just can’t handle it and it makes it a very frustrating experience. Hopefully if we have more children, I will have a better go of breastfeeding!
You are such an inspiration to me and I truly feel blessed by your writing and sharing!
I would definitely look into getting help from a caring La Leche League leader. They truly can make the difference! Thank you so much for your kind words.
This is such a personal and (as you said) volatile subject. Thank you for being so candid. I can’t wait to hear the rest of your story. I’m now inspired to write mine out.
Please let me know when you do!
It is such a blessing to hear someone tell their story. I had three babies in three years (my cycles always returned right after birth). Breast feeding all my children has been painful at times and also a joy. I regret that I didn’t nurse my second child past 6 months because of exhaustion and inexperience. I am now on baby 4, who is such a blessing and my older children do love her so much. I feel now more than ever that these children were a special blessing and our family has more love with each addition.
Loved reading your story! I do ecological breastfeeding and my child spacing was 13 months between the first two and will be 2 years between 2 and 3. I tandemed my first two until I found out I was pregnant with #3, so for 15 months!
While ecological breastfeeding didn’t give me the “typical” child spacing, I don’t think that the generalization that it contributes to longer spacing is incorrect. Kellymom says that ecological breastfeeding is 98% effective in preventing pregnancy for the first six months. ( http://www.kellymom.com/bf/normal/fertility.html ) I think I’m just the walking 2%.
I did always manage the 6 months, but definitely not much past that. I think those who do get the big spaces assume everyone has those, when in truth, I’ve found many, many people (just look at all the commentors here!) have had the same results as I have. What a huge accomplishment being able to tandem for 15 mons! I lasted 6 months.
Thank you for sharing. Your story us an encouragement. I am currently expecting my 5th. When he/she is born they will be about 16 months apart. I was nursing exclusively when #5 was conceived. My baby is now 11 1/2 months and she loves table food. The only nursing she does is in the middle of the night. I was hoping to wean her before too long as I don’t want to tandem nurse. I would love more info. on tandem nursing though.
I’ll try to post about my tandem nursing at some point. Although, I am sure there are others much better qualified to speak to that subject. Maybe we’ll get some good comments that can lead you to more info!
Thanks. I’ll look forward to reading about your experiences.
Thanks for sharing your story!
I’m one of the “success stories” of breastfeeding and natural child spacing. My children are 21 months, 29 months, and 26 months apart, respectively, spaced only by following “the rules” or ecological breastfeeding.
Most of us who practice ecological breastfeeding know that it doesn’t work for everyone. I’m sorry people were less-than-kind to you about it. I still think, though, that it is important to tell women that it can and does work, and that it is very different from simply exclusively breastfeeding. It won’t work for everyone, but it would work for a lot more women if they’d actually try it.
Ultimately, it is about the sovereignty of God, isn’t it? We mother our babies in the best way that we know how, with His help. If He chooses to send us another baby right away, than God be praised! If He chooses to use breastfeeding to space our babies, then God be praised! I wouldn’t follow “the rules” if I didn’t truly believe that it was part of His design, but that doesn’t eliminate the possibility that He can…and does…work outside of that pattern.
Blessings!
I was so inspired by your post I blogged my journey too. I love reading your blog, thank you for your frankness and for sharing yourself!
http://arrowsinourfist.blogspot.com/2011/01/we-did-end-up-in-hospital-last-night-to.html
Oh, and I became pregnant twice while tandem nursing, so even those of us who get “big” spacings don’t necessarily have to wean our little ones to have another baby.
Amy, my SIL exclusively breast fed and got her cycles back right away, too. Loving your story! Isn’t that the way Father works, though!?
Looking forward to part 2!
I used an sns with ds (now 2 yrs old). It has to be one of the best inventions ever.
Great post! Looking forward to part two!
How strange to read your post while my latest blog post on the exact same subject sits waiting for me to finish. I can’t write it all in one sitting with 5 kids running around
We have similar stories and I feel your pain! My newest babe is 3 1/2 months old. I’m waiting for my cycles to return soon, as they returned after 4 months with my last baby. Something hormonal is definitely
happening…ugh! I really enjoy reading your blog. Thanks for your ministry!
Hi Amy. I’m Morgan, wife to Caleb, mama to Emma (2) and Logan (4m). I love Jesus, grew up eldest of 7, was homeschooled from 1st grade through HS graduation… I think we have a lot in common.
I wanted to introduce myself because I’m pretty sure I’m going to become a regular on your blog. I’ve already added you to my Reader feed, and I’ve only just read two posts.
I must admit I may be slightly hormonal…ok, maybe more than slightly… but I almost cried by the end of this post. Not because you wrote anything life shattering, but apparently this is really tender to my heart right now.
Do you mind if I share my story with you?
I’m tandem nursing both kids right now. Emma pretty much has ALWAYS loved the boob. She nurses as much, as long, and as often as I allow her. She’s a toucher baby, loves to be worn and snuggled up next to us in bed. Even with her waking 6-8 times a night to nurse, my cycle returned when she was 7 months old (See? We have a ton in common!). The cycles were longer, but my husband had wanted to try to get pregnant as soon as I was fertile again, so we did. She was 10 months old when we got pregnant.
Last week he asked me if I was pregnant again. Apparently I’ve been a hormonal basketcase. We did just move right before Logan was born, and I did just have a baby, and two weeks ago I had to start working two nights a week…so there are a lot of changes. But he said that even though Emma still wakes at night to nurse, Logan is sleeping through the night (have no idea how we did that. Don’t think it was our fault), and maybe my body would play a trick on me. So I took a pregnancy test. It was negative, but I don’t trust that my body won’t go back into the fertile thing even though I’m tandem nursing.
We did realize we’d be really excited to have our third, even so close (12 months! ah!). I don’t know if I have a point. I just wanted to share.
I’m excited to become friends.
I’m glad I met you.
So glad you are here! Heading over to visit you at “your place.”
I too am an exception to the rule. I usually fall pregnant 6-8 months after each baby, except for my first who was 1 year when I fell pregnant. All of them were fed on demand etc. except for the first who was on a flexible schedule from day 1 – go figure!
I have 5 children and have nursed them all. #1-I nursed her exclusively for 5 months, got the depo (we’ve since been convicted on using any sort of birth control) and I dried up and cried a lot.
#2…I nursed for 9 months, he was biting me during teething and I was bleeding and not nearly as informed as I should have been and thought the blood would hurt him, so I weaned him. #3…I nursed him for 3 1/2 years, he more or less self weaned. I was pg with #4 and he asked to nurse and I told him not right now, because my breasts were extremely tender at that moment, he didn’t ask again for SIX months! LOL #4, I nursed her for 2 1/2 years….she weaned when I left for a conference for 5 days. #5…he’s 8 months and going strong and has just started slowly eating solids, although not every day. I plan to let him wean himself.
With #3 I didn’t get my period back until he was 14 months old. It was HEAVEN! I expected it to be the same way if not better since #4 nursed more often than #3. I was literally in tears when #4 turned 6 months and it returned. So far with #5 it’s not returned. I feel so blessed that God’s given me knowledge and new knowledge with each baby. There are obviously things I’d change had I known with #1 and 2, but I didn’t know and can’t change that.
God Bless and happy nursing!
Only on a mom’s blog like this can I admit that I have been pregnant and/or nursing for over 8.5 years and not get the “are you crazy?” look.
And that was just with my last three out of five sons. I am one of the those women who do NOT get their periods back while nursing exclusively and still don’t until baby is almost completely weaned (which has been between 18mos and 35mos so far). Since I became pregnant with #3, I have had maybe 6 cycles in the past 8.5 yrs. I was still nursing when I became pregnant with #4 & #5 and I could only handle that for a little while. The age gaps are 4.5 yrs between #1 & #2 and #2 & #3, 3.5 yrs between #3 & #4, and almost 3 yrs between #4 & #5.
I’ll stop before I make a whole post about my own bfing journey. Thank you for sharing, Amy!
LOL–I LOVE it that mamas can come here and say something like that too!
Amy,
I only nursed our 4th baby. There are stories behind each of the others, but the bottom line is: I REGRET IT. I cannot believe that I didn’t let myself experience that the other three times that I had a baby. If we never have another baby, I will regret this the rest of my life. It was the most beautiful and special bond that I have ever had with one of my babies. You are such a wonderful mommy!
Love, Nicki
Thank you for sharing. I’m especially interested in the lactational amenorrhea part (or lack of). After hearing so many stories and reading books on it and having my own experiences (getting pregnant at 11 months pp, while still nursing, before my first period-we lost that baby- and now at 17m months pp, baby weaned himself maybe a month ago, have had one ovulation period sandwiched between 3-4 non ov cycles). I certainly know that the only pattern I can find is that the Lord is in control. I’ll stay tuned for part 2!
Great topic because I got pregnant 4 times while exclusively breastfeeding. No pacifiers, finger sucking, food, or bottles and 4 pregnancy. Granted my spans between babies did get longer. Then with baby # 7 (my first two where bottle feed) I did everything the same and never had a cycle until he was 1 year old. My OB claimed that when your cycle returns it means your body has recovered from the last pregnancy and it’s ready. A women’s age also plays into it.
That’s an interesting thought that your body is ready. Hmmm…I’ll have to mull that one over. And yes, I do believe age plays in; however, I’m not all that old yet. (at least not in my own head!
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Wow, what a story, Amy! I can’t wait to hear the rest – thank you so much for taking the time to share.
I am one of the ones who asked you to write about weaning and how you believe it influenced your child spacing, etc. I am fascinated by this subject and how God made us all so different.
Here is the one thing I’m not seeing discussed here – how long does the baby sleep at night. All of my LLL research revealed that ‘exclusively breastfeeding’ can mean different things for different babies. Some sleep 7 hours at night very early, which can make cycles return earlier. Some nibble every 3 hours, which can delay ovulation longer. And of course there are exceptions to those, as well!
Well, anyway, my curiosity has been satisfied a lot – I can’t wait to read the rest. You are such an inspiration.
Hugs from Texas,
Valerie
Would you like me to answer you here or in a post? The quick answer is, they have all been different and I am convinced it is hard wired personality rather than anything else. I can expound a bit more though if you would like.
I think it’s ridiculous all the articles saying if you just breastfeed on demand you will naturally space your babies. I have exclusively breastfed all my babies until 8-9 mos and then don’t wean until at least 18 mos. Cycles always start when baby’s 6 mos.
Just last week, my 1 yo was sick and not nursing much b/c she couldn’t breathe thru her nose. I panicked b/c I wasn’t ready to wean her. Hubby ran out and bought me a pump so I wouldn’t run out of milk. This week, she’s back to nursing 4x/day. Praise the Lord!!
I love nursing my babies.
Wow, Amy! Blessings to you for being so open and honest about YOUR experience. I’m one of the “lucky” ones, I suppose, in that ecological breastfeeding really does hold off my cycles. They don’t return until I no longer sleep with my babies at night. At least that’s how it’s been in the past… we’ll see if #4 is the same!
Breastfeeding is one of those topics that touches every mom. If I could figure out a way to be one of the “lucky” ones I would! But, the 9 month break last time was quite nice!
I exclusively breastfed all my children, and my cycle ALWAYS started at about 3 months. My oldest was also 7 months old when I because pregnant again!
I am so sorry you had to live with accusations! How horrible! I said in a comment on your next post, that I too start my cycle back early. I also demand feed. I too have children 16 months apart. I have wondered if my babies’ big sizes and ability to sleep through the night early (6 weeks or so) contributed to getting my cycle back. However, my 5th child, who is 13 months and nursing strong still, took MUCH longer to sleep through the night and I still got my cycle back. I think each person’s body is different but each is created perfectly and purposely by God!
This is a beautiful story of learning how to trust God in all things in our lives. Learning what God wants to do in our parenting lives is, I think, the most difficult. I love seeing how He leads families. Scheduling works best for our family and He’s confirmed that many times. I nurse for over a year every time, but my fertility doesn’t return until a year or more.
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I made the mistake of getting my tubes clipped =( (getting that fixed VERY soon!), but I exclusively nursed my little one on demand, and co-slept, and my cycle came back at 10 months! I was afraid my milk would dry up, but that’s not true. We are still nursing strong at 19 months
It’s tiring, but worth it!
I really enjoyed reading your breast feeding journeys, and how different they all are! I have two girls, and have never had an success with breastfeeding (first baby was a traumatic c-section and second was severely lactose intolerant) but I’m praying that I will have success with my third baby (due in March.) Honestly I’m more afraid that my 3rd will be like my 2nd, nothing scarier than seeing your super calm husband panicking because the newborn is projectile vomiting neon colored breast milk.
After my first baby I had an overwhelming feeling of failure, and when things got hard with #2 I remember bawling and telling my husband that I “couldn’t fail again.” So it’s nice to read stories about people who have done it all!
It also makes me incredibly thankful that God has allowed man to come up with an alternative to breast milk. It’s not perfect, but there are cases when it is much needed!